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PURPOSE DRIVEN
IS OPPOSITE TO UNION 1
 
The Founder of Purpose Driven is Rick Warren.
 
His admitted mentor was Drucker
whose philosophy was based on Aristotle, Kierkegaard and Kant.
 
 
WARREN =As long as you do things for God,
you are a Hall of Famer in heaven's list.”
Rick Warren,The Purpose DrivenLife: What on Earth Am I Here for?
 
“You discover your identity and purpose
through a relationship with Jesus Christ.”
Rick Warren,The Purpose DrivenLife: What on Earth Am I Here for?
 
UNION REPLY THROUGH NORMAN GRUBB –
no independent self:
 
The basis of our total truth, which we are taking to the whole church in the whole world, is that the human self has no nature of its own. It is the expressor of a deity nature, whether the nature of the false deity, the spirit of error, or the true Deity, the Spirit of Truth (1John 4:6). Because we have all become accustomed to speaking of ourselves as having a human nature, it may make it clearer if we speak of the self never being an independent self. It has never been a self-operating self, and thus never operating by expressing a nature of its own.
 
There is no independent, self-operating self in the universe, except the One who calls Himself the I AM (Exodus 3:14),and says, "I am God and there is none else . . . There is no other God beside Me" (Isaiah 45:21,22).
 
But the Independent One has a limitation to His independence, for it is said of Him that He cannot lie (Titus1:2). In other words His eternal self-independence is fixed.   Therefore,when we say that we created selves have no independent self, but express His eternal Deity Self, we are also saying that we express God's fixed nature,which has eternally discarded the possibility of expressing the liar, self forself nature. We are fixed as He (1 John 3:9).
 
DRUCKER =  A belief that taking action without thinking is the cause of every failure but this thinking is the thinking of man who can have religious belief but as an extra, not the whole.
 
What Grubb is saying however is that there is no self thinking, the thinking that does manifest having a spiritual root either of the god of this world (Satan) or God. There is no neutral self position, one manifests either God or Satan.
 
Matthew 16:15-24 King James Version (KJV)
 
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
 
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
 
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
 
Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
 
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
 
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
 
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
 
There are 3 points here to prove Grubb's statement:
 
1) The revelation of Christ Jesus deity did not come through human thought under the god of this world - it came directly from the Father in heaven.
 
2) Peter became "The Rock" yet not Peter because there is no independent itself. The Rock is Jesus with Peter as we are the Body of Christ which is just as holy as the Head.
 
3)  When Peter did resort to human thought he became "Satan" as there is no independent self!
 
ARISTOTLE= And life also belongs to God; for the actuality of thought is life, and God is that actuality; and God’s self-dependent actuality is life most good and eternal. We say therefore that God is a living being, eternal, most good, so that life and duration continuous and eternal belong to God; for this is God.
Aristotle, Metaphysics, Book 12 (Lambda)chapters 6-10
 
The problem with this is that God is not self-dependent, he is dependent on man’s submission to him, to be one in him as the Church is his body. Aristotle's belief is therefore opposite to union for if one’s physical head cannot operate without the body – neither can this occur spiritually.
 
Kierkegaard = Reason and intellect attempt to prove God's existence. But God is absolutely different and totally beyond our comprehension and beyond our language to describe. The qualities of God cannot be captured in the predicates of language.  
 
Introduction to Philosophical InquirySoren Kierkegaard,
"God's Existence Cannot Be Proved"
 
Those in union with the Lord know who they are and have
The Word of God that captures the qualities of God.
 
Kant = Kant’s answer is that they are the three a priori ideas of pure reason—the self or soul, the cosmos or universe as an orderly whole, and God, the one of direct concern to us here.  But, as we never can have sensible experience of objects corresponding to such transcendent ideas and as the concepts of the understanding, without which human knowledge is impossible, can only be known to apply to objects of possible experience, knowledge of the soul, of the cosmos, and of God is impossible, in principle. http://www.iep.utm.edu/kant-rel/
 
The trouble is this is again "no independent self". Human ideas have been polluted by the fall of man thus placing them under Satan's control, hence the disharmony in the world. Being "born again" changes spiritual sides to the Creator of the Universe, the man (yet not the man) having a whole new understanding for then the "as he is" takes over.
 
We have the Biblical Proof:
 
 
True holiness is manifest through the Believer who recognizes his/her own inability to keep rules knowing that it is one’s own dying to self that is the key to success.
 
THE WORD OF GOD =
 
Gal. 2:20; Col. 3; II Cor 7:1; 12:9; Gal. 3:3; Rom. 6
 
If you are a dead man – then who is left and so what room is there for man’s philosophy about himself?
 
Gal. 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
Col.3: 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
 
II Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves fromall filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
 
12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strengthis made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
 
Gal. 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 
Rom.6: 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into JesusChrist were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
 
 
Did Jesus pray that we be one in the Father and Son?
 
Did Jesus have a successful prayer life?
 
This is true holiness.
 
 John 17:21 That they all maybe one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one inus: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;that they may be one, even as we are one:
 
I Cor.6:17; Eph.5:30; Jer. 3:14
 
Joined unto the Lord –
members of his body, flesh and bones! Holiness!
 
 I Cor.6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
 
Eph.5 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For thiscause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto hiswife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
 
Jer. 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
 
 Rom. 12:1 What do we present holy?
 
 Rom. 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
 
I John 4:17 As He is – So Are we ?
 
I John 4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
 
Rom. 8:17; Gal. 4:7 What does being equal mean?
 
 Rom. 8: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
 
 Gal. 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.